tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post2035006816651518821..comments2023-10-19T08:59:42.303-07:00Comments on Cameron Brown Trial: Lauren's BirthdayCountryGirlhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comBlogger188125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-55215439100459685882010-02-17T13:06:05.449-08:002010-02-17T13:06:05.449-08:00Im not sure who it is that insists that the prosec...Im not sure who it is that insists that the prosecution does not have to prove motive !!!! If this person reads the elements that MUST be satisfied in a murder trial "motive" is clearly one of them. The statements I have read are perfect examples of someones fallacious reasoning without prior logical investigation of the statements chosen for representation of an invalid argument. Shame on youAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-68966327706728770192009-09-15T08:23:44.690-07:002009-09-15T08:23:44.690-07:00Thanks Jobeth. I posted it on a new entry ^^^^ la...Thanks Jobeth. I posted it on a new entry ^^^^ last night.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-49975639445749178262009-09-14T17:04:31.768-07:002009-09-14T17:04:31.768-07:00This was posted by Denise Nix a little while ago:
...This was posted by Denise Nix a little while ago:<br /><br /><br /><br />Today, jurors in the Cameron Brown murder re-trial visited five spots along the Rancho Palos Verdes cliff that figured prominently in the case. Basically, as they did during Brown's first trial three years ago, they retraced the purported path Brown and his daughter, Lauren Sarene Key, took before her fatal plunge on Nov. 8, 2000. They went to the Abalone Cover parking lot, the nursery school on the beach, up to Portugese Point, to Inspiration Point and ended at the archery range where Brown said he laid little Lauren's body after he fished her out of the surf.<br /><br />Brown, wearing jeans, a blue button-down shirt and handcuffs hidden by a sweater, accompanied the jury to the first three locations, but not the last two. I don't know why.<br /><br />Jurors were then scheduled to be instructed on the law back in Judge Michael Pastor's downtown Los Angeles courtroom. Tomorrow are closing arguments, which I plan to attend and report on.<br />-------------<br /><br />So we'll see what her impressions are of closing, as well.Jobeth66https://www.blogger.com/profile/11038439425452956832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-39061442983866469362009-09-14T15:25:24.937-07:002009-09-14T15:25:24.937-07:00Karen, yes--opening statements are not evidence. G...Karen, yes--opening statements are not evidence. Geragos has a habit of testifying when he questions people on the stand (Loretta is well versed in how he did it during Peterson), and he promised the jury witnesses during the first trial that he never called, IIRC. <br /><br />I only attended closing arguments the first trial and unfortunately I won't be able to attend tomorrow because I have a medical test I have to take as it has already been rescheduled once. <br /><br />Today (per Sprocket) the jury has been taken to IP. Evidently Cameron chose not to go this time. Last time all the LA TV stations covered it so I hope they will have a story tonight.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-66260590314630058542009-09-14T12:39:42.501-07:002009-09-14T12:39:42.501-07:00You know what, CG? Going over Geragos' opening...You know what, CG? Going over Geragos' opening statement from Cam 1- he says that Cam HAD attempted CPR on Lauren, at the picnic table, for a while before paramedics showed up. Reading what he said, he seems to have really oversold their "take", big-time. Are defense attorneys ever held accountable, after-the-fact, on assertions they make during opening that don't get followed through AT ALL during actual testimony, or is it all just allowed to slink quietly away, so they save face? The judge then more-or-less told the jurors they only needed to take notes, if necessary, during testimony, NOT on opening statements as they are not evidence- is that the judge discreetly saying "don't make much of this stuff, at opening"? There do seem to be specific changes from Cam 1 to Cam 2...Karennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-76799383107129534262009-09-11T16:55:23.247-07:002009-09-11T16:55:23.247-07:00While defense attorneys may have clerks in their e...While defense attorneys may have clerks in their employ assigned to read sites such as these, I doubt that they would be encouraged to actually post anything...just a hunch.Ronnihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02062796442588373271noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-27154706888878059412009-09-11T06:43:45.448-07:002009-09-11T06:43:45.448-07:00I disagree. She's not paid, she's a volunt...I disagree. She's not paid, she's a volunteer.<br /><br />And it is JA, I'm absolutely certain of it.<br /><br />She's a manipulative liar and you can take everything she says with a big, fat block of salt.<br /><br />Never mind she has terrible karma and will be seeing even more tragedy in her life than she already has. She'll never learn.<br /><br />The only reason I've continued to engage her is out of boredom. She's probably not even in California. She's a stenographer for Patty.<br /><br />While I have never been star-struck by celebrities like Sprocekt, I think her upcoming reporting of the last of the defense testimony will be accurate and telling.<br /><br />JA is just trying to set the table. She's full of chit as usual.lorettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13425764711510261055noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-55255882797298272002009-09-11T06:38:38.766-07:002009-09-11T06:38:38.766-07:00I'm likely to get bounced for this one, as I&#...I'm likely to get bounced for this one, as I've called out Case Insider as a Geragos employee. She knows too much about the inner workings of Team Cam to be Valerie Paredes.<br /><br />CI: <i>Knock it off, Ken.<br /><br />I'm expecting Hum to give a very dramatic closing argument. He will prance around and talk about all of the things he has proven in this case. He will claim to have proven everything, of course. He will attempt to wow the jurors with words, and hope they didn't pay that much attention. He will go for the emotional plea, hoping that the jurors didn't get the fact that everyone in this case has suffered a traumatic and tragic loss of Lauren. It's going to be interesting.</i><br /><br />Knock it off, CI. About the only thing you haven't done here is put on the florescent red lipstick, fishnet stockings, and six-inch stilettos.<br /><br />Both advocates are going to do their level best to plead their cases. Both can be expected to stay well within the rules because, by your own admission, Judge Pastor has been calling a fair game -- the one thing he won't let happen at this late date is a mistrial.<br /><br />Sounds to me like you are already planning for a conviction, by desperately trying to lower expectations. I agree that this is going to be a close case; I'd respect you more in the morning if you wouldn't keep giving us your Baghdad Bob impression.kennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-63551631642684474622009-09-10T14:40:57.292-07:002009-09-10T14:40:57.292-07:0017 Q WHAT DID MR. BROWN INDICATE TH...17 Q WHAT DID MR. BROWN INDICATE THAT HE DID<br /><br /> 18 AFTER HE TOOK OFF MOST OF HIS CLOTHES WHEN HE SAW LAUREN<br /><br /> 19 FLOATING IN THE WATER?<br /><br /> 20 A HE SAID THAT HE WAS DRESSED IN ONLY HIS<br /><br /> 21 BOXER SHORTS AND HIS SHOES, THEN ENTERED THE WATER, SWAM<br /><br /> 22 OUT TO WHERE LAUREN'S BODY WAS, PULLED HER TOWARDS THE<br /><br /> 23 EAST ROCK LINE AT THE INLET, SET HER ON TOP OF A FLAT<br /><br /> 24 ROCK AND THEN CLIMBED OUT OF THE WATER.<br /><br /> 25 Q AND WHAT DID HE INDICATE HE DID THEN?<br /><br /> 26 A HE THEN SAID THAT HE PERFORMED C.P.R.,<br /><br /> 27 CARDIOPULMONARY RESUSCITATION, ON THE CHILD, AND HE<br /><br /> 28 ESTIMATED THAT IT WAS ABOUT ONE MINUTE.<br /><br />1 Q AND THEN WHAT DID HE SAY HE DID?<br /><br /> 2 A HE THEN TOLD US THAT HE REMOVED HIS WET<br /><br /> 3 BOXER SHORTS, FLUNG THEM WITH HIS FOOT, TELLING US THAT<br /><br /> 4 WE WOULD STILL FIND THEM THERE -- AND THE BLUE BOXER<br /><br /> 5 SHORTS DID, IN FACT, BELONG TO HIM -- HE PUT HIS SHORTS<br /><br /> 6 BACK ON, HE PLACED HIS T-SHIRT BACK ON AND TIED HIS<br /><br /> 7 FLANNEL SHIRT AROUND HIS WAIST.<br /><br /> 8 Q AND THIS IS WHILE LAUREN IS ON THE ROCKS?<br /><br /> 9 A THIS IS WHILE LAUREN IS LAYING ON THE ROCKS<br /><br /> 10 ADJACENT TO THE INLET, YES.<br /><br />11 Q AND THEN WHAT DID MR. BROWN SAY HE DID?<br /><br /> 12 A HE SAID HE PICKED HER UP, PUT HER OVER HIS<br /><br /> 13 LEFT SHOULDER AND BEGAN RUNNING TO WHERE THE PARAMEDICS<br /><br /> 14 WOULD BE COMING.<br /><br /> 15 Q AND WHAT DID HE SAY OCCURRED AS HE WAS<br /><br /> 16 RUNNING BACK TOWARDS WHERE THE PARAMEDICS WERE GOING TO<br /><br /> 17 BE COMING?<br /><br />18 A HE TOLD US THAT HE FELT WETNESS ON HIS BACK<br /><br /> 19 AND THAT HE WAS BECOMING BLOOD SOAKED ON THE BACK OF HIS<br /><br /> 20 SHIRT, SO HE PUT THE CHILD IN FRONT OF HIM AND CARRIED<br /><br /> 21 HER BASICALLY IN A CRADLE POSITION FOR THE REMAINDER OF<br /><br /> 22 THE DISTANCE THAT HE TRAVELED TO THE ARCHERY RANGE.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-19547219238827548622009-09-10T14:17:35.801-07:002009-09-10T14:17:35.801-07:00Yes, he said when he pulled her out of the water, ...Yes, he said when he pulled her out of the water, he put her on a (flat?) rock and performed CPR for about a minute.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-27117439146063854712009-09-10T13:34:38.140-07:002009-09-10T13:34:38.140-07:00Re-reading J. Leslie's testimony- he says that...Re-reading J. Leslie's testimony- he says that Cam tells him during the interview at the station that night, that he didn't have time to do CPR between getting to the table area and when the paramedics arrived. But, didn't Cam make another statement prior, that he performed CPR down on the rocks, before bringing her all the way up to the table? You know, when he was putting his shirt back on, so he wouldn't catch cold later...Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05400198234242900299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-87513245161868605512009-09-10T12:16:50.781-07:002009-09-10T12:16:50.781-07:00And no effort to call Sarah at all. Telling.And no effort to call Sarah at all. Telling.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-9426824970563244072009-09-10T10:17:30.121-07:002009-09-10T10:17:30.121-07:00One thing about this forced hiatus from Sprocket&#...One thing about this forced hiatus from Sprocket's hard work, you get a chance to look back and re-evaluate testimony. This from the first few days of the prosecution side, after Sarah, on the event itself: Fred Curcio (first responder)- "(He ((Cam)) said)... He looked and looked over the cliff and saw her down in the water." From the 9-1-1 transcript: "(Male Caller ((Cam)) to the dispatcher)- "I had to come this way (the nude beach). I couldn't see her."<br /><br />Here, he was kinda, sorta trying to explain to the 9-1-1 folks just why he had gone way over to the other side of the Point, to the nude beach, which was the wrong side of where Lauren was, lying face down in the water.<br /><br />He has not yet gotten back up the hill, to the inlet area she actually is at, to try to "save" her (by taking off his clothes first, then putting his shorts back on- like he's seen on "Baywatch", remember- then swimming out to her, picking her up, bringing her to shore, then putting his shirt back on, gotta get those gee-I-did-everything-I-could bloodstains on, then picking her up again, climbing up the trail some more to the picnic area, which is of course a good ways from where she had been, putting her on the bench, and, finally, allegedly trying to do CPR, which no one else had seen him trying to do, somehow without getting anything on his face or beard.) The only way he could have delayed all this anymore would be if he had taken a potty break; I'm surprised he missed that.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05400198234242900299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-5002941002269698012009-09-09T18:33:11.462-07:002009-09-09T18:33:11.462-07:00Is there any news on the trial this week anywhere?...Is there any news on the trial this week anywhere? Where is the coverage?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-45322226918905465192009-09-09T16:19:48.040-07:002009-09-09T16:19:48.040-07:00Thanks CG!Thanks CG!Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-8065403007161626052009-09-09T16:05:55.278-07:002009-09-09T16:05:55.278-07:00Poofed!Poofed!CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-28229667678610508052009-09-09T15:57:06.719-07:002009-09-09T15:57:06.719-07:00How childish to post under my name Anony. Surely y...How childish to post under my name Anony. Surely you could come up with something more intelligent.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-11309477658918196922009-09-09T15:52:23.224-07:002009-09-09T15:52:23.224-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-69807543863037490952009-09-09T15:42:30.046-07:002009-09-09T15:42:30.046-07:00Sounds like I've convinced you that prison is ...Sounds like I've convinced you that prison is where he'll be. I'd love to pay him a visit. I'll have ample time to do so, 25 years to life.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-9804471400249335202009-09-09T15:37:26.205-07:002009-09-09T15:37:26.205-07:00Omama, the transcripts are work product and as suc...Omama, the transcripts are work product and as such, when they sell transcripts they keep the money. I have no problem with that but they are very expensive. :)CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-80085402810584357632009-09-09T14:23:58.041-07:002009-09-09T14:23:58.041-07:00I'm sure your boy will be very popular in the ...I'm sure your boy will be very popular in the joint.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-86230613809399143852009-09-09T12:50:59.700-07:002009-09-09T12:50:59.700-07:00The more I read the more I am convinced that the p...The more I read the more I am convinced that the primary motivation for the murder was the vindictiveness of a spiteful, nacissist; with the financial relief tipping the scale. The Acquaintance brings this home in a very real way. <br />He took from Sarah the most important thing in her life and in turn he will have the most important thing in his life taken from him, his freedom. <br />Those who wish will continue on with their delusions. He is going down.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-59598263946321420022009-09-09T12:41:14.821-07:002009-09-09T12:41:14.821-07:00CG - thanks for looking into the purchase of the t...CG - thanks for looking into the purchase of the transcripts. I find it very surprising that the money goes to the court reporter rather than the county.Omamanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-79040391821321375492009-09-09T12:11:56.294-07:002009-09-09T12:11:56.294-07:00Thanks Karen. Loretta took PP donations to help w...Thanks Karen. Loretta took PP donations to help with the costs, but I had hoped the Daily Breeze would buy and post the transcripts like the SD paper did during Westerfield's trial. In today's economy though it was not to be. I was just glad Denise Nix (then Nick Green when Denise went out on maternity leave)covered the first trial.CountryGirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00849417232886413522noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30423343.post-17342650646152293872009-09-09T11:37:15.056-07:002009-09-09T11:37:15.056-07:00And I, for one, am grateful to anyone who spends t...And I, for one, am grateful to anyone who spends their own $ so that all of the rest of us can go through this case and judge for ourselves. $752.00 buckaroos is not chump change, not these days, and anyone who makes light of it and is insulting to the Administrators to boot is a wretch.Karenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05400198234242900299noreply@blogger.com